My FIGGI Life with Jeanne

Meditation for Overthinkers Like Me

Episode Summary

Jeanne has struggled with the concept of meditation for 14 years. She shares the three things that finally helped her overcome the hurdle of Lotus Pose and how she prefers to meditate.

Episode Notes

Jeanne has struggled with the concept of meditation for 14 years. She explains how her idea of meditation and what meditation was, held her back from enjoying the full benefits of mindfulness and quiet space. Through the years she had to adapt her meditation practice to something that worked for her and fit into her lifestyle. She explores the top 3 things that helped her achieve better results with meditation and how these affected her anxiety levels.

She first looks at guided meditations and explains how these have helped her to relax more easily, and to meditate more successfully. Check out the channels she recommends: Great Meditation, Declutter the Mind and Mini Meds.

Secondly, she looks at the power of noise canceling headphones and how these help her to get to a calmer space while meditating, but also while doing other daily chores. Check out the Sony headphones Jeanne uses  here.

Lastly, she looks at what meditation means to her and that this does not necessarily have to ten minutes of zen pose and deep breathing.

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Episode Transcription

Meditation for Overthinkers Like Me

[00:00:00.690] - Jeanne

Okay, okay. We've all been there. The kids are finally asleep. The dishes are in the machine. You finish the late night email, and you have 15 minutes before you will be passed out cold. Time to meditate. Except your thoughts won't stop raising your frustration and grows by the minute. And in the end, you just want to sleep already. So you dedicate the following day to it. You'll get up extra early and quickly meditate before the kids wake up and the day runs away with you. But when morning inevitably arrives, you are in high level negotiations with your toddler about her choice of clothes while dealing with an ongoing meeting on your phone and hopping your way down the hall halfway dressed in your stockings. In the end, you're just relieved you made it to the school bus halfway dressed and only two minutes late. Does this picture sound familiar to you? Because if it does, we are in the same boat. This episode, I'm going to look at meditation and specifically focus on some tips for meditation. If you are, like me, a super nervous overthinker, I kindly ask you to follow and subscribe. If you enjoy the My FIGGI Life Podcast content, please share the episode so we can grow our community.


[00:01:21.120] - Jeanne

So, meditation, let's get into it.


[00:01:25.840] - Intro

Welcome, goddess, to your sacred space. This is my FIGGI Life podcast, where we openly discuss life's wins and losses on our journeys to self-discovery. This is your best life. This is your FIGGI life. And now, here's your host, Jeanne.


[00:01:48.040] - Jeanne

Ah, meditation, you wonderful little unicorn. The most prized position of many yogi that are able to sit in the most perfect position for an inordinate amount of time, just concentrating on the peace, tranquility, and beautiful serenity that comes with. Enter real life, or in my case, my real life. When I first heard about meditation, I was in a space in my life where I think I started to realize that I had a little bit more stress than the normal person. I think something in my mind started to click, that perhaps there is some issue with anxiety going on and I needed to find a way to relieve that tension and what better way to do that than to meditate? I mean, how hard can it be? You sit still, you close your eyes, you think of nothing, and you just breathe. That's easier said than done, right? I have to tell you that I started meditating for the first time about 13 to 14 years ago, and I quit many, many times. Meditation just didn't ring true for me. I was way too worked up. My mind was way too busy, and it took a lot of commitment for me to sit still or lie still in a certain position.


[00:03:24.510] - Jeanne

Think of nothing. Think of healing energies, think of silence and whatever it is that you have to think about when you meditate. I just couldn't get it down. I read so many books about it. I went to see a life coach at the time who gave me a lot of opinions and advice about it. But at the end of the day, what I learned about meditation is it's a super, super solitary thing that you have to figure out in your own way. The most significant thing that I've learned from meditation is that it is not what it seems. You can interpret it in many different ways. So the frustration that is meditation started in my life. As I said, 14 years ago, I tried to meditate, thinking of nothing, just thinking quiet thoughts, doing my breathing exercises, being in a quiet space in a time of the day where I am most calm, where I have five to ten minutes to only focus on myself. But on more than one occasion, meditation became an absolute hated pass time to me, because I the perfectionist that I am, found it so incredibly frustrating that I couldn't get it right.


[00:04:37.720] - Jeanne

I don't know why I never have an issue with lying still if I'm not thinking about it. But all of a sudden, because I have to think about it, I cannot stop thinking about my foot that wants to twitch, or my hand that wants to move, or a sneeze, or a cough. I don't know. But I cannot for the life of me sit still. That's just the physical part. Try quieting your mind to not think of anything in that space. It's like torture. Every time I close my eyes, I am reminded of the 101,000,000 things that I forgot to do that day. And I am in the most perfect space of my life to start making the most complex lists of everything I still need to do and how I'm going to achieve them. Which then again, brings me back to my super frustration in realizing, oh, no, my thoughts have again run away with me. This is so irritating. This was my usual experience with meditation and also why I quit it so many times. And when I say many times, I don't mean I tried it 14 years ago, a couple of times, and then I quit.


[00:05:43.540] - Jeanne

I mean, I tried it 14 years ago, I tried it twelve years ago, I tried it ten years ago, I tried it five years ago, and I still sucked at it. It was so counterintuitive to me. How are you supposed to embrace this mythical, absolutely magical idea of relaxation? If you cannot get your mind to shut up? Then of course the perfectionist comes in. What am I doing wrong? Why is this so difficult? Why can I not just calm down, clear my thoughts, focus on my breathing? Why is this so hard to achieve? So when I moved to Portugal in 2020, and I had suffered pretty severe relapse in my panic disorder, I was having almost daily panic attacks at really horrible times, because it was usually just after I fell deeply asleep and I would wake up already in this severe state of panic, I decided to give the ole' meditation another try. However, I was lucky this time because I met an incredible individual that taught me a lot about my body and understanding the physical signals of my body. What really helped me in her teachings was understanding how to physically release my pressure or stress or anxiety through physical exercises, movements or methods.


[00:07:07.320] - Jeanne

This would be breathing exercises with a focus on the outbreak and a deep sigh of a release, jumping up and down, doing some massage techniques on my shoulders, my hands, my arms, kicking out, shaking my arms, shaking my fingers, really physically releasing that tension. And before this, I don't think I ever really realized how important that is to creating a space where you can even cultivate a calm or a quiet mind. If your body is completely jazzed up and you have no way of releasing that tension and that anxiety, oh boy, your mind is for sure not going to assist you in quieting that steam train. So enter my next phase and experiment with meditation. I decided to do this a little differently because obviously what I had tried in the past had not only not worked, it hadn't worked multiple times. Now, before I continue with this meditation, I will say that since I won't say mastered it because I still have some challenges, but since I've become more used to it and it's been incorporated into my life a lot more successfully than it has in the past, I've seen extremely positive changes in my life.


[00:08:29.350] - Jeanne

I feel much more relaxed, I am a lot more intuitive to my body's signals and signs. It's core for me in understanding when my stress is evolving into anxiety and when my anxiety is moving into panic and when that is moving into a panic attack. Reading and understanding the cues and the signals of your body is absolutely key in this. However, I have had episodes where I've meditated when I feel a panic attack or an anxiety attack coming on and it has helped me. But I am not one of those that proclaim the benefits of any one thing as the miracle cure to a panic attack or panic disorder or anxiety disorder because we're all different, different strokes for different folks, different things work for us all. And for me it also depends on the severity and the level of my escalated anxiety at that moment. If I'm already in the full swings of a panic attack, I mean, there's no way meditation is going to help me, then for me I'm already too far gone. That's my personal experience with it. So I'm not proclaiming meditation as a miracle cure to a panic attack.


[00:09:43.260] - Jeanne

However, I'm saying that it has helped me a lot in managing it better. But this may not be the case for you. Just a little disclaimer. So let me share with you the three tips on meditation that I've learned that helped me to meditate better or that have put me in a position where I am actually able to meditate.


[00:10:04.540] - Break

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[00:10:21.410] - Jeanne

Now. First of all, I am not a yogi. I am not a yoga coach. I'm not a meditation coach either. I'm only giving you my experience and what has worked for me. And this may or may not be textbook correct for meditation, but hey, that's what works for me and I would love to know what works for you. So tip number one is guided meditation. This one completely changed the game for me in terms of meditation because I struggled so much to get my thoughts to just be quiet and my body to be relaxed. And you have actually a lot going on when you are trying to meditate because you have to focus on your breathing, you've got to calm down, focus on your outbreak, focus on clearing your mind, focus on relaxing your body, focus on not thinking on anything, lovingly bring your thoughts back when they wonder. You can see how this can become overwhelming, especially if it's just me, myself and I and my thoughts trying to navigate through this labyrinth. So what I found is when I have guided meditations, it takes all of this extra pressure away from me. I can just relax and follow instructions.


[00:11:34.980] - Jeanne

I don't need to also be giving myself mental instructions, focusing on myself, leading through those mental instructions, following those mental instructions. Somebody else is actually doing that for me. It has helped me a lot to become more aware of meditation and relaxation because depending on the guided meditation that you do, you can either sit upright or lay down and you basically just focus on doing what you are prompted to do. The great meditation sites or guided meditation sites, talk you through your breathing, talk you through the outbreak, talk you into a deeper, relaxed state, and also do a really great job of creating mindfulness and keeping you in the here and now moment. What I really appreciate about the guided meditations is that you are so much more easily transported into this state of calmness and they give you a couple of super gentle reminders throughout the guided meditation episode. If your thoughts have wondered, gently bring them back to the here and now. So it just helps guide you and it helps take away the pressure of you trying to do everything by yourself and going through the mental checklists of am I doing this right?


[00:12:57.220] - Jeanne

Did I remember to do this first? Should I have done this last? If that's the way your mind works, you understand exactly what I'm saying here. So I will say guided meditation is an extremely subjective and personal experience because you really have to find a channel that has the sound that you're looking for that can put you into a calm space. For example, there are some meditation channels that just do not gel well with me because I don't like the voice of the person narrating. It's maybe too high pitched for me or too slow. I don't like the music. It's more of an irritation to me than it is a calming space. So you have to find something that really works well for you. And the sound of the narrator, of the sounds that come with that must all work together to kind of calm you so that you're just thinking of relaxing and following the prompts, rather than, oh, my gosh, this sound is super irritating, or I'm not really gelling with this voice. So you have to find something or a channel that is working for you. I will say, though, that in my endeavors with meditation and guided meditation, I have found that I enjoy three different types of guided meditation.


[00:14:11.560] - Jeanne

The first one is Great Meditation, and I encourage you to check that out, and I will put a link for you in this episode. Description I really like this meditation channel because if you are meditating not only for calmness and stress relief. But also to connect perhaps to a higher power or have some kind of spiritual connection or maybe a spiritual Sunday or whatever that may be. This is a beautiful channel because they have so many episodes that take you through. For example. Positive energy. Reconnecting with spirit. Mind. Body connection. These are beautiful, and they're so much more than just relaxing. So when you've crossed the point where you just meditate and relax and you want to do something more, this is a beautiful channel because they have meaning options. I also like this channel because it doesn't matter how long I've been meditating. I don't think I will ever be the person that can sit and meditate for 20, 30, 40 minutes to an hour. That's just not me. You have to find a meditation time length that works for you. If you start getting fidgety or irritated and your thoughts continuously start drifting, it's too long for you.


[00:15:23.580] - Jeanne

And that's why I like great meditation, because their meditations are ten minutes, which is for me, the perfect length. And they also started releasing shorter meditations of five minutes each. If you wanted to do a morning meditation or a super quick meditation before bed, then my anxiety savior and panic attack superhero is Declutter The Mind. Declutter The Mind, I really use a lot when I feel like I'm going through stages where my anxiety levels are heightened. This may be perhaps a week where I've had a lot of stress or a couple of days, or where I feel I may have a panic attack or when I've had a panic attack and I'm trying to come down from that and I'm trying to get my equilibrium together again. I don't use this as often as I use Great Meditation, because sometimes the Declutter The Mind meditations can be a little bit long for me. And I know this is so weird to say it because I'm saying ten minutes is my perfect time. Declutter The Mind isn't super long. Most episodes are 15-20 minutes, but 15 minutes is too long for me.


[00:16:36.250] - Jeanne

What I like about Declutter The Mind is when I am extremely anxious or when I've had a really hectic day at work where it feels like I've had a lot of information and a lot of things that I needed to sort out. And you just want that quiet space. Declutter The Mind is perfect because it has no background music at all. It's just the narrator. So you're transported into the super quiet space of ultimate calm, and the narrator focuses a lot on coming back to the body, coming back to the here and now. Focus on what you can feel, what you can hear. Focus on the body's connection to your surroundings at the moment, and that helps a lot with panic talk down. So when I've had a really tough day and I can't handle any more noise in my mind, I just went quiet. And I just want to come down from that high level of daily stress. This is the perfect guided meditation for me. Then my next favorite one is Mini Meds. I love Mini Meds because all their meditations are only five minutes. This is the perfect meditation for those nights where you're so exhausted you just want to sleep, but you know it's in your mental best interest to do something to switch off your mind for the night or sometimes when you're in a super hurry in the morning, but you feel you want to start your day right?


[00:18:06.690] - Jeanne

These are beautiful meditations. They have one that's my absolute favorite, which is creating space. And I like going through that because they take you through this visual where your mind is like a cluttered room that you're cleaning and putting to write and organizing. And it's just a beautiful way to start your day because your mind feels clean and open and ready. So that's tip number one. Guided meditation, that really, really helped me.


[00:18:31.660] - Jeanne

Tip number two leads from tip number one. And I really enjoy this because I would say from the three tips, this is the biggest game changer for me in terms of meditation, and that is investing in noise canceling headphones. Now, let me just say this straight from the beginning. I'm not talking about your latest Apple ipods AirPods EarPods. I'm definitely not a techie, as you can see, but I'm talking about those really big over the ear headphones, you know, the ones that make you look like a 90s fashion statement. The bigger the better here, okay? It has to go all the way over your ear. Those little bear, I think. Do you call it bear paws or claws? I don't know, but they work beautifully.


[00:19:16.890] - Jeanne

My favorite ones are the ones that I use. But I will tell you disclaimer, they are so expensive not to lie. I think they now retail for probably about 329 euros or USD. Yes, 329. It's so much money. But they are amazing and you can double use them for other things. They have wonderful Bluetooth connection. I do a lot of my meetings on them as well because the sound is great. The microphone, the built-in microphone is great. But obviously the key feature here is with these babies, you literally hear nothing. So many nights when I'm meditating, my hobby brings me my cup of Rooibos tea before bedtime. And most times I don't even hear him entering the room, putting down the cup or leaving the room. It's just like the tea magically appeared. So you are definitely in your own space. When you put these noise canceling headphones on, the world just ceases to exist for you, which is amazing because that physical feeling of stillness goes a long way towards that mental, psychological, sensory feeling of stillness, if I'm making sense at all. Also, when you're listening to your guided meditation through these noise canceling headphones, it makes the experience of what you're hearing so much more intense, which increases for me my relaxation.


[00:20:44.190] - Jeanne

And a note here, let's not lie and be honest. I use these headphones many times, even if I'm not meditating, just to have like quiet time, I would just pop this on and walk around in the house with these headphones and just enjoy the absolute silence. So yeah, I've definitely enjoyed the noise canceling earphones and I cannot, literally cannot meditate without them. What I will also do some mornings when I don't want to meditate is I will put on the noise canceling headphones. I will do my gratitude journal for the morning, write in my gratitude journal while I have the headphones on, because again, the whole world ceases to exist in terms of sound when you put these on. And it just creates an immediate, for me, space of quiet calmness, and it just transports me to the space I want to be in and at when I'm meditating. The other thing though, also with these noise canceling headphones, it feels to me like I get into the meditation a lot quicker than I do if I'm not wearing them, because it instantly takes away that noise. It feels to me like I'm able to much faster go through the correct breathing exercises and get into a more grounded, calm space than I am if I'm not wearing them.


[00:22:05.080] - Jeanne

It feels like there's been just too many competing sensory things that keep distracting me. And yeah, they really help. I love them. So, guided meditation, noise canceling headphones, you don't have to buy the most expensive ones. I have absolutely no tech background. Hubby suggested these and bought them for me. Thank you, hobby. But I cannot even advise you on what the others would be. I can only tell you that these are super expensive, but they work really, really well. So number three, my tip number three for meditation is the most important one, and that's do not follow the rules. I think the main thing that held me back from meditation is that I had this preconceived idea about what meditation was in my mind. I saw it as this perfectly calm and just mutually peaceful yogi sitting in Zen position, meditating for hours on end, and just having all of these amazing experiences and benefits from it. But I started to realize this is actually maybe one of my biggest mistakes, because once I got over this hurdle, meditation became a lot more second nature to me. Once I took that picture of Lotus Pose out of my mind and what I thought meditation was supposed to be, I was much more free to discover and play around with what meditation is for me.


[00:23:41.680] - Jeanne

And I encourage you to do the same. And how you can start with that is to maybe ask yourself, why do you want to meditate? Do you just want a silent moment to be alone with your thoughts? Or do you want to re-energize? Are you seeking some kind of spiritual connection or are you focusing on stress release? Do you have anxiety issues? And maybe this is part of the lifestyle changes that you're trying to bring in. Ask yourself why you want to meditate and what you want to achieve with it. Maybe it's just for overall wellness. So, like I said a little while ago, not everybody enjoys a ten minute meditation. Ten minutes for me is the perfect time. Sometimes I really prefer five, depending on where I'm at that day. 15 minutes for me is still a little bit too much. But many people don't even like ten minutes of meditation and really don't like the idea of sitting still, trying to calm your mind and trying to reduce your stress. In this way, it's much more important to practice meditation in a way that creates less anxiety for you. Not more and less frustration, not more.


[00:24:47.560] - Jeanne

Otherwise, it's pretty counterintuitive. So what you can do instead, and what I try to do instead, is to try and focus on creating small moments during my day where I can refocus, recalibrate, and ground myself. And these moments, for me can be as little as two minutes that I take away from my desk or before I go to bed, which, if I add them all together, become various moments during the day when I'm checking in with myself and just kind of quieting my thoughts. And when I'm talking about these two minutes, this, again, doesn't have to be Lotus Pose, right? Meditation can be anything that calms you and that puts you in a space where you can truly and really be in the here and now at this moment in this space. It can be anything that allows you to be alone with your thoughts, to ponder or relax. And for precisely this reason, you can meditate in different ways. So for me, I'm the type that really does like the Zen moments, but they don't always work for me because I with my anxiety disorder, I'm not always able to quiet my thoughts. I've also learned not to force myself to do this every day, because then just with my way of thinking and personality type, I quickly get into this vicious circle where I start judging myself for perhaps skipping a day or not doing a ten minute meditation when I was supposed to, and rather doing two minutes.


[00:26:09.850] - Jeanne

And this is also counterintuitive because this is supposed to be something that brings you peace. So whichever way you practice this meditation, do it in a way that feels good to you in that day. For me, it helps to recognize just what I'm able to do that day and what I'm able to give that day and just being thankful that I made the space for that to be able to happen, whatever that may look like and whatever that may be. So sometimes I'm really just too nervous and jazz to have this quiet, sitting Zen moment, and I go to something else. And some of the alternative methods of meditation I really love is my swing with a cup of tea. There is something so divinely relaxing and hypnotic about that to and fro of a swing and just sitting there in silence and thinking of the momentum and the movement of the swing with a warm cup of tea in your hands. And you smell the sweet aroma for me. Of robots. The nature around you if your chair is outside. The birds singing. The wind blowing through the trees. There's something just so naturally calming and hypnotic about that. And that is for sure a form of meditation. Because I'm quiet, I'm taking a moment alone, I'm calm and I'm enjoying the space where my mind is at in that time. And taking 2, 3, 5, 10t minutes a day to do this if I'm not feeling the whole Zen meditation thing really helps a lot.


[00:27:47.860] - Jeanne

Another form of meditation that helps me is my two minute practice anywhere I am. I love this because I travel a lot for work, and as we all know, if you have a career and your wife and a mom, finding a quiet moment can be sometimes a little bit challenging. So working with what you've got can really work in your favour. I like these two minute intervals because it takes the pressure of me to feel like I have to do it perfectly and that everything has to perfectly be in place in order for me to be calm and to feel calm and to feel at peace. This works well because you work with the surrounding sounds around you. So this may be a situation where I don't have my noise canceling headphones with me. Maybe I'm at the airport, maybe I'm in a bus on a metro.


[00:28:37.060] - Jeanne

Maybe I've been roped into watching the latest rerun of Mickey Mouse for the 15th time. Whatever it may be, quiet and stillness is not on the radar for you at that moment. So I close my eyes, I try to breathe in deeply, focus on my outbreak, and then I recognize the noises and the sounds around me. And I try to identify five things that I can hear. The TV playing, for example, the sound of my little girl coloring in her books. You know, the sound the crayon makes on the paper, the dogs barking at the other side of the garden, lawn mower going. So you use all of these distractions to really identify five things that you can hear which helps you to be in that moment and really helps with mindfulness. Then you can go on to four things that you can see. For example, my little girl riding her bicycle in the house, the dogs coming in and out of the door. All these normal things that are usually seen as a distraction and a space where you're not really able to meditate that can help you to just come down from a super anxious space, really ground yourself in the here and now, really be mindful and use those things to get to a more common state of mind.


[00:30:01.120] - Jeanne

Another great one is gardening. I really love the feeling of earth in my hands, the smell of the earth, the feeling of it, and of course, the wonderful feeling of planting something and seeing it grow. And there's a wonderful stillness that comes over me when I'm working in the garden. It's kind of like you're in this sacred space that nobody can interrupt or break, even if there are people around you. It's just like this connection between you and the earth and it's just such a beautiful feeling. Sometimes. If I don't have any gardening to do, I will just go sit under my willow tree and I will just touch the earth. I will just have my feet touch the damp grass or the moth. I will touch the roots of the tree and feel the roughness of the bark. It just helps me to feel grounded and mindful in that moment. The next favorite I have for an alternative to meditation, which I still find to be meditative, is yoga. I love doing yoga, I love being in my gym and I love exercising alone. It's really, really a sacred space for me where I get to focus only on me, the health of my body.


[00:31:13.930] - Jeanne

And yoga is a wonderful way of doing that. But I will say that if I feel I need a meditative session or I need to come down from anxiety or panic, I really do need to set. A very specific intention in my practice that day. I will focus a lot more on my breath. I will focus a lot more on my heart energy. And I will have very certain positions that I do and flow through. But it really helps me to stay grounded and it helps a lot. Especially when I'm anxious. Because it's combined with movement and some kind of resistance that you're adding to your body. So it feels like you're releasing some of that tension. I also love painting, coloring and journaling. It creates a really quiet space in my mind where I can just focus on being creative and either writing or painting or playing with colors. It really just takes your mind to a super quiet space. But I will say that I mostly do this not so much when I'm panicked or anxious, but when I have perhaps an issue in my life or in my job that I need that's really difficult to solve and I need a solution for.


[00:32:39.310] - Jeanne

It helps to release my creative energy a lot. And I come up with really awesome ideas when I'm painting, coloring or journaling if it's available to me. I also love to incorporate water in a kind of meditative practice. I love staring at the ocean, at the crashing waves, at the sound of the waves, looking at the push and pull of the tides. It's just something so divinely calming about the movement of water and the sound of water that just calms the mind. And last but not least, I love listening to podcasts. So I have a little Sunday ritual and one of my favorites is the Oprah Super Soul Podcast and I listen to that with my Sunday morning coffee. Every Sunday is a new episode and I just love the speakers that she has on the podcast. A lot of people that I admire and the messages to me are just so amazing and it's a wonderful start to my week. It's a wonderful way to just sit quietly in the morning while not watching news, not reading the paper, not watching TV, just quietly sitting outside with your warm cup of coffee and just enjoying this beautiful message through the podcast.


[00:34:08.960] - Jeanne

So that's it. That is my few tips on meditation. Again, you know, My FIGGI Life Podcast is not a How-To channel at all. And as I said, these are things that work for me, but they don't always work for me. It depends on my level of anxiety, it depends on where I'm at in my life at that moment. But these things that I've listed for me have tended to work the most and the most reliably. But again, this is our community. So please share with me what works for you. Please go to and send me a message through the contact form. Tell me what things work for you, what meditation practices you love, or maybe there are some guided meditation channels that you would like me to share. But the takeaway here is that meditations should be a sacred moment that brings you peace and relief. It should not be another thing on the Todo list that you worry about. We do not always have to follow the rules to gain the most from our different life practices. We only need to do what works for us and what speaks to our souls. As you can see, there are so many ways to meditate.


[00:35:23.100] - Jeanne

So think about what brings you calm and what quiets your thoughts and what leaves you feeling refreshed and cleansed after doing it. That's your meditation. Embrace it and enjoy it. And enjoy the peace it brings you. Please, I would love to know what brings you call enjoy. And if you enjoy these conversations, I kindly ask you to consider following and subscribing to the My FIGGI Life podcast. You can also listen to the My FIGGI Life podcast at or on your audio streaming services. Consider sharing this episode so we can grow our community and we can all have our best lives. Remember, everyone deserves to celebrate the Goddess within. So live your best life. Live your FIGGI life. Until next time.