Cheryl Hazen (RN), a certified aesthetic nurse with 12 years experience in aesthetic lasers, injectables, and skin care joins Jeanne to talk about sensitive skincare.
Cheryl Hazen (RN), a certified aesthetic nurse with 12 years experience in aesthetic lasers, injectables, and skin care joins Jeanne to talk about sensitive skincare. Cheryl explains sensitive vs sensitized skin, how to identify sensitive skin, and how to look after your sensitive host.
Cheryl gives tips on a good sensitive skincare routine, do's and don'ts, and the importance of a healthy skin barrier. She explains how to identify a damaged skin barrier and steps to take to heal it. She delves further into other skincare favorites like exfoliation, skincare influencers, and lifestyle. She gives a unique and insightful view into sensitive skincare.
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Cheryl Hazen RN: Instagram | Facebook | TikTok | Renu Med Spa
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Podcast Episode: Did my skincare stop working?
FIGGI Sensi-Soul Regimen for dry, sensitive skin
[00:00:00.250] - Jeanne
Good morning, FIGGI goddess, and welcome to another episode of the My FIGGI Life podcast. Just to give a little bit of a disclaimer, for this episode, I have a little touch of the flu, so my voice is not at its best. So please bear with me because I have a wonderful guest that is on the podcast today talking about sensitive versus sensitized skin. And, you know, if you you're part of the FIGGI community, this is a huge topic for us that we are always discussing.
[00:00:31.530] - Intro
Welcome, goddess, to your sacred space. This is My FIGGI Life podcast, where we openly discuss life's wins and losses on our journeys to self-discovery. This is your best life. This is your FIGGI life. And now here is your host, Jeanne.
[00:00:51.150] - Jeanne
I'm so excited to welcome Cheryl Hazen to the My FIGGI Life podcast.
[00:00:57.580] - Cheryl
Hi, how are you?
[00:00:58.820] - Jeanne
I'm so good. Thank you so much. I want to take some time to quickly introduce you to our audience. Cheryl is a certified Aesthetic nurse with twelve years’ experience in aesthetic, lasers, injectables, and skincare. Her passion is to help people look their best. She prides herself in developing a trusting relationship with people by educating them to the best of her ability. And today she gets to educate us. How lucky are we? Sicky goddess? You know, from my blog posts, from our skincare line from the podcast, I have dry, sensitive skin. And our line is specifically for those with dry and sensitive skin. But we need to explore a little bit more. What exactly is sensitive skin? Do you have sensitive skin or is there a possibility that you could have sensitized or perhaps reactive skin? And Cheryl is going to help us answer all of those questions today.
[00:01:55.450] - Cheryl
[00:01:56.330] - Jeanne
What is the difference between sensitive and sensitized skin? Is there even a difference?
[00:02:03.300] - Cheryl
Not really. I think what it comes down to is an issue of the skin barrier. So, the skin barrier is the top layer of skin. And if you think about it, like a tight lattice network. It's composed of free fatty acids, cholesterols, and lipids. It allows some of our skincare products to sink down to where they need to be. But it doesn't allow them to sink down farther than where they're not supposed to go. Because if they sink down farther than where they're intended to go, then it causes things like irritation, the skin barrier, because it's composed of three different things. It's easy sometimes for that ratio to get off, which then allows that lattice of our skin barrier to open up. And so that's where we get the term sensitive from. It's that the barrier is easily compromised. And so we get things easy like irritation or sensitized skin where we feel like we can't use any other products, but maybe a cleanser and a moisturizer, because we just don't tolerate anything else.
[00:03:03.050] - Jeanne
I have such a frustration in terms of this. I feel like especially in the recent couple of years, we hear a lot of people say, oh, I have sensitive skin. And it feels like it's almost the go to diagnosis your self-diagnosis for your skin. So when people like me that really do have very sensitive skin end up at our facialists or our aestheticians or even our dermatologists, it's almost like I have to try and convince them that I have sensitive skin, which is why I'm so big on educating our community on what that really is and what it looks like. So can you maybe tell us what are the common things that you would see in sensitive skin? How will it present itself?
[00:03:51.150] - Cheryl
Sensitive skin presents itself is often dry, presents itself as unable to tolerate simple things. Like, I might see a sensitive person say, I don't tolerate lactic acid, glycolic acid. Some of the most common things you see in the, quote unquote beauty industry for antiaging skincare is it doesn't tolerate retinols, things like that. It's more prone to the dry, the itchy, the red, the irritation. And so I often tell my sensitive people, you're kind of lucky because you don't have to spend as much on skin care because you don't tolerate it. Not to say that you can't build up your skin barrier to be able to tolerate those things eventually, but it takes a little bit of work and patience. Patience is a big key, I think, because we live in such instant gratification society nowadays. People use it for a week and they think, okay, my skin should be better. And that's just not the case.
[00:04:43.610] - Jeanne
I'm so glad you said that, because we just did a podcast last week on exactly that. You have to give your skincare time. It's a journey, yes. Not a marathon.
[00:04:54.030] - Cheryl
I use the gym a lot as a reference. Let's say somebody wants to lose £5. You can't go into the gym for a week and expect to lose £5 in a week. It doesn't work like that, and it's not healthy. And oftentimes you see the people who binge, whether it be fitness or skincare, you often see them rebound in the opposite direction, right? They might get their skin looking great within a week, and then a month later you think, well, gosh, your skin looks great a week ago, but now it looks terrible because it's not sustainable. And so, you're right, skincare is absolutely a journey. And I think the easiest thing is to start small, so to speak, where we start with just the basics a cleanser, a moisturizer and sunscreen. And over time, we work up as our skin tolerates. And as we continue to work up, what we have to remember, too, is that everybody's biome, meaning their bacteria on their skin, is different. So what works for one person is not always going to work for the next person, because their biome is different.
[00:05:49.150] - Jeanne
Still, staying on the topic of sensitive skin, you were saying that it reacts a little bit more than other skin types. It's usually dry, itchiness redness, and all of those things. I, for example, have panic disorder, and I realize that a big, let's say, symptom of my anxiety is how it interacts with my skin, which I also think is maybe a big reason of why I have such sensitive skin. Because when I have these panic flare ups, I feel it and I see it in my skin for sure.
[00:06:23.820] - Cheryl
Because one of the things that happens when we have those kind of panic attacks, I struggle with anxiety myself, is that our cortisol levels raise, and cortisol as a hormone is inflammatory, right? And so, anytime we have an inflammatory hormone circulating in our body, it's going to show up on our skin. Our skin is the largest organ meant to protect us. And so whether it's inflammation from an external source or inflammation from an internal source, it's going to show up on our skin.
[00:06:49.590] - Jeanne
Why do we see so many references in the skincare conversation? Our community will also know I'm not a big fan of TikTok influencers and all of that.
[00:07:00.100] - Cheryl
I could not agree more. I have a 14-year-old daughter who comes and says, mom, I should use this for skincare. And I always want to say, but Maddie, I have access to all the best skincare, but she won't use it because I'm the old mom and I'm.
[00:07:12.200] - Jeanne
Not cool because it's not a TikTok, it's not trending.
[00:07:18.170] - Cheryl
[00:07:19.080] - Jeanne
But we see a lot of references to sensitive versus sensitized skin. Can you maybe just explain to us, why do they separate these two concepts like this? What are they trying to explain? Are the differences between the two?
[00:07:33.500] - Cheryl
I don't know. In my world, we don't use the difference between sensitive and sensitized skin. In my world, you're sensitive, you're normal, or you're oily. And so, for me, a sensitive is a sensitized. It's the same thing. The terms are interchangeable.
[00:07:45.370] - Jeanne
Are there some instances in terms of especially dry sensitive skin where there could be things that are triggering the current flare up that is removed, it can make it better? What are these things that we can look out for?
[00:07:59.840] - Cheryl
It's hard because then that also depends on if there's underlying disease process like rosacea or eczema, things like that. It's interesting. I've been doing a lot of research, actually, on skin care lately, and what they're finding is any kind of inflammation is going to predispose your skin to basically opening up that barrier a little bit more. And so, especially for the sensitive skin type, opening up that barrier is going to predispose you more to the irritation or if you have underlying eczema, things like that. So, the goal really should be to reduce the inflammation and restore the barrier. And that makes you less sensitized, I guess, or ends up being less sensitive because your barrier is more intact. And so we're really finding that the skin barrier is really the key to everything. Because if your skin barrier is intact, not only do we have less sensitive skin, but actually our aging process slows down because it's less inflamed, because inflammation again is a precursor to early aging. So if our barrier is intact, then we also allow less UV damage because that barrier is kind of airtight. We actually get less acne. All of these things that were plagued by that drive us nuts are better when our barrier is intact, and our inflammation is reduced both externally and internally.
[00:09:18.510] - Jeanne
And when you're talking about the skin barrier, just for our listeners, this means really that layer of skin that helps keep all of the moisture and hydration in and all the bad stuff out, right? So if it's compromised, you got it. It's not a good thing, you got it.
[00:09:36.470] - Cheryl
The best analogy I can give you is if you get a small paper cut and you look at it and you think, oh, it's not that deep, that might be just a little like a little compromised barrier, right? It heals within a couple of days. You don't really notice it. If you get a bigger paper cut and you think, oh, that really hurt, and you can see it on the skin, that would be the equivalent to a bigger compromise and barrier where you're going to see more of that inflammation, irritation. And for some people it comes up as an acne breakout. That's what a compromised barrier looks like. And so, what happens is we want to fix it right away, right? So if we get the dry sensitive person who gets that red and irritated skin from a compromised barrier, they think, okay, I'm going to put Cortisone cream on it because itches or something. And what happens is that we put all this extra stuff on it and it just further compromises the barrier. And then we get frustrated because our skin doesn't look the way it wants to do, when actually what we need to do, probably the most important thing is to restore that barrier.
[00:10:32.500] - Cheryl
And for everybody it looks a little bit different. I would say for my dry sensitive people, I tell them, don't put anything else in your skin but Aquaphor because aquifer or some kind of occlusive ointment is going to prevent water evaporating from your skin. Because I think what people forget is that our skin is the largest organ, is primarily compromised of water. And so the skin is actually able to repair itself really, really well, so long as it doesn't lose water via evaporation. And so those ointment type fate products will occlude the skin to prevent water evaporating and then your skin can actually heal itself. But the healing process is different for everybody, right? If I have a bad paper cut, I'm going to heal a little bit differently than you. And so that time frame is going to look different for everybody. For me, it might be four days, for you, it might be eight days. And so that becomes the challenge, is that people want to jump the gun too soon, and they think, okay, it looks better, I'm going to do it. But they do it too soon. And then they just break the barrier down, and then they have this constant fighting battle of, I can't get my skin looking the way I want it to look, because they don't allow their barrier to restore itself.
[00:11:36.740] - Jeanne
I have, like a two parter question on that for you. The first one is basically, how would you know or what are the most common signs that you would see to indicate that your skin barrier may be compromised and you may need to go see your aesthetician or your derm?
[00:11:53.270] - Cheryl
That's a great question. So if you are typically using some kind of antiaging product at all, vitamin C, anything, I always think that retinol. Yes, retinol, glycolic acid, lactic acid. And you have to be really conscientious about reading the back of the labels on these skincare products, because even if you buy them over the counter, they'll sneak those ingredients in there which can compromise your barrier. Right? And so, the first sign that I tell people to look for is slight burning upon application. If it's burning, that's a sign that that product is penetrating deeper than what it's intended to go. And so you're feeling that burning, and that's telling you your skin is giving you a clue. It's penetrating too deep. I don't like this. And so, your first move after that should be to wash it off the skin and to only apply a moisturizer.
[00:12:41.370] - Jeanne
And if you now have seen that you do have a compromised skin barrier, you told us that you can use products like Aquifer and stick with that and just apply that. I know that many of our listeners will then automatically ask you, but this is such an inclusive, isn't it going to make my breakout?
[00:12:59.810] - Cheryl
Right? That's a great I get that all the time because I do laser treatments too. And some of these laser treatments, I have to have them in an ointment, they say, but I don't want to use an ointment because I'm going to break out from it. And what happens is that, yes, you might get a temporary, quote unquote, breakout. It's actually not a true breakout. It's an acne like breakout. It's part of the process from which the skin goes to restoring its barrier. It's always temporary, it's always self-limiting, so it will restore itself once your barrier gets back on track. I actually just went through the very same process. I used a new retinol from my friend's skincare line, and on the fourth day of using it, I thought to myself, something's not right. My skin is swelling. It just doesn't feel right. And I was stuck in an inclusive Aquifer type Ointment for six straight days after that. And I walk in to see my patients, and I said, hey, sorry, I'm a little greasy today. My barrier is completely wiped. So, this is what I'm doing. And I fought with getting my barrier back on track for a solid three weeks after I went through almost a week of ointment.
[00:14:05.110] - Cheryl
But sometimes it will take that long to get your barrier back on track. And what happened is that I knew after six days that my barrier was better because I could tolerate a moisturizer without it burning. So I thought to myself, okay, I know I'm betterish. All I did at that point was cleansed, used my moisturizer and sunscreen, and then for three weeks, I would have these random kind of red. They look like pimples. They weren't really pimples. That kept breaking out. Probably within the last week, it finally stopped doing that. My skin is like, okay, we're back on track. It can take a solid month, though, to get your barrier back to where it needs to be. And now this week, I've started adding in what I'm typically used to, my vitamin C, my low dose retinol at night, things like that, but it took a solid month.
[00:14:49.280] - Jeanne
I think this is why I feel so strongly about the social media skincare conversation, because especially if you have sensitive skin, you have to be so careful what you use on your skin and how you use it, because it really is sometimes an excruciating journey. It very much gets yourself back.
[00:15:09.650] - Cheryl
And I think what we also don't understand and what's not broadcast on social media, because it's not a very glamorous topic, is the idea that we all have bacteria on our skin. They're supposed to be there, they're good, and everybody's biomes, so to speak, or bacteria on their skin is a little bit different person to person. And these bacteria are good in that they create a good living environment for your skin to help maintain its barrier. They actually secrete their own antioxidants and things like that. But because my biome is different from somebody else's, I might tolerate a product well, and then if I recommend it to my friend who has a different biome, they may not tolerate it well. And so that's why I'm very passionate about telling people, hey, we need to start small. You start with a cleanser and a moisturizer, and once you get settled on that for six to eight weeks, then we can add in an antiaging product where we feel like we're targeting an issue. Maybe it's pigment, maybe it's redness or something like that. And we have to go slow because, again, we have to make sure that it's going to work within your biome, because if it starts to cause irritation, clearly, it's not working with your skin.
[00:16:16.630] - Jeanne
It speaks to how we are as a society at the moment. We're in a very much cycle of we want things now absolutely. We want it immediately.
[00:16:26.000] - Cheryl
[00:16:26.890] - Jeanne
And we do this with our skin care as well. And unfortunately, what that translates to is, oh, this is not working for me. I'm just going to try something new. When you've barely had the product for a month and that makes it even messier.
[00:16:39.910] - Cheryl
Absolutely. I was guilty of that before I get into this industry. I mean, I probably had no less than 15 different over the counter cosmetics underneath my cabinet. I would use it for a week and I'm like, this isn't working. I had no idea that any of this information existed or that it was a real thing.
[00:17:03.590] - Jeanne
If we're talking about sensitive skin and we combine it with a dry skin type, why do so many dry skin types tend to be so sensitive?
[00:17:12.080] - Cheryl
I think, again, it's this issue of barrier. It's funny, I was reading something last night that was talking about cleansers. We think that cleansers aren't glamorous, so we don't really talk about cleansers. And all of us love the foamy cleansers. We put them in our hands, and we get the most sudsy foamy and we wash our face with it. And what I was reading is that the surfactants in these cleansers actually break down the oils in the barrier. So for somebody with a really dry skin type, you actually might do better with like a lotion type cleanser that doesn't suds. It's not going to be glamorous because you're going to feel like it's not a normal soap because it doesn't suds up. That actually might be somebody better for somebody with dry skin, because you're not stripping the oils in the barrier, you actually might have a little bit easier time maintaining your barrier and then feeling less dry, feeling like you're less sensitive.
[00:18:02.820] - Jeanne
I just also want to talk about this because this is really important. In terms of dry skin, we have two things that we can lack in our skin, which is water and oil.
[00:18:11.000] - Cheryl
[00:18:11.620] - Jeanne
So dry skin is lacking the oil, right?
[00:18:15.790] - Cheryl
Correct. Yeah. So a lot of times in oily skin, sometimes they're actually lacking the water. And so I'll put them on a product like a hyaluronic acid that will give moisture down a little bit deeper, but they don't need the oil component of a moisturizer. Most moisturizers are intended to replace oils in the skin barrier. And so for, like, my oily people, obviously they don't need a moisturizer that has oil in it because they already create enough oil themselves. But for dry people, they tend to lack the oil component, which is why they need a moisturizer.
[00:18:47.410] - Jeanne
When we talk about skin, we always think our first thing that we go to, obviously, is skin care. But so much more goes into having good skin and looking after your sensitive skin than just the skincare. Of course, you need to absolutely please use the correct skincare, but there's a lot that goes on. Yeah. I mean, our lives are so rushed. We don't live in many of us don't live in environments where we have great clean air, it's filled with pollution. There's just so much that goes into that. Do you have any tips for us on how to create good daily habits to ensure we do the best we can?
[00:19:24.950] - Cheryl
So obviously, drinking water is number one. And I will tell you, I am not always great about it. We do the best we can and then obviously anything we put in our bodies, because good skin has to come both internally and externally, right? So internally, from the things that we consume, food, liquids, things like that. And then obviously external would be our skincare. One of the physicians that I used to work for would always say everything in moderation, including moderation. I think the more we can do to make better food choices, obviously the better our skin is going to be. But obviously you can't always make the perfect choice, right? Life gets in the way. Work, kids, just life in General gets busy. So, we make the best choices we can when we can make them. And then obviously skin care goes into it. The other thing I would think I would say would be stress management. I can't tell you how many times I see patients in the clinic and they're either having an acne breakout or they're having a flare up of their eczema or something. And we're kind of going through what is your skincare regimen look like.
[00:20:20.860] - Cheryl
What are you consuming from a dietary perspective? And then we get into, has anything changed in your life? Is there a new stressful event? And that's often almost always the case. And so, I will be the first to tell you that I myself am terrible at stress management. It really does make a difference, I think, even if you have a stressful life event to do your best at trying to manage that stress, because inevitably it almost always shows up on your skin in some way, shape or form. And so that becomes another big component to the skin as well. Because again, it's our biggest organ in our body. It's the first line of defence we have. And so, you'll almost always see things there.
[00:21:01.860] - Jeanne
I've also realized that one of the big things I would say one of my biggest triggers when I know I'm probably going to have some kind of anxiety event soon, is when I start sleeping really badly. I see it in my sleeping pattern first and man, does that show up in your sleep.
[00:21:19.290] - Cheryl
It sure does.
[00:21:21.690] - Jeanne
It's easy to look like ten years older.
[00:21:25.450] - Cheryl
Absolutely. Well, absolutely. You think about somebody who has lost a family member or life, or a big job change or a divorce or something like that, and you see that person six months later and you think, gosh, they've aged a lot because that stress. If you don't manage it well, it shows up in your skin, it shows up in the way we age. And so that's why I tell people make stress management becomes a really big thing. And a lot of times it takes trial and error in terms of finding what works for you to manage your stress.
[00:21:57.920] - Breaker
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[00:22:02.470] - Jeanne
I have one last question for you. I think this is probably the golden question when it comes to all types of skin, but especially with sensitive skin. I don't know why, but it's super-hot topic in the skincare industry now and that's exfoliation. You're exfoliating too much or too little. You shouldn't be using this one, you should be using that one. If you have really sensitive skin, should you be exfoliating?
[00:22:26.390] - Cheryl
No, absolutely not. And you have to remember, there are different types of exfoliations. There's mechanical exfoliation, there's also chemical exfoliation. So mechanical exfoliation would be like your scrubbing cleansers, which as a caveat, I will tell you, I despise those the most. They actually make little microscopic tears in your skin. And so for somebody who is sensitive, it's probably the worst thing you can do for your skin.
[00:22:52.370] - Jeanne
These are the products that have the little, tiny bowl microbes on your skin.
[00:22:58.730] - Cheryl
Especially for the sensitive skin type, they're awful. The other way we exfoliate is using clarisonic or even a washcloth to wash your skin with or believe it or not, even taking the towel when you get out of the shower and rubbing our face. That's also a form of mechanical exfoliation. And so anytime you're doing that, obviously the goal of exfoliation is to rid the skin of dead skin cells. I would say for sensitive skin type, you just don't have that build up because you're sensitive anyway and because you're lacking oil, you shove those pretty easy. So you don't really need to get rid of that. They just kind of come off. You don't really need to mechanically exfoliate them. And the more you do that, the more microscopic tears you're going to make in your skin, which is going to further sensitize you. The other way we chemically exfoliate would be with something like a retinol or a higher percentage Salicylic acid. Those are chemical exfoliants. They are intended to turn the skin over. So, let's say a normal skin cell cycle is 28 days. Something like retinol. Sulfuric acid is going to speed up that skin turnover.
[00:24:00.640] - Cheryl
And for the sensitive skin type, you don't need that because you're already dry the way it is. And those products are going to further deplete the oil in your skin. You just don't need them. So, we have to remember, that explanation comes in two different forms. As a sensitive skin type, we really have to be sure to minimize those because again, they're going to strip the barrier, strip the oil, and then it's going to make your sensitive skin worse. Yet, you're very sensitive. The best thing you can do would be to use like a lotion cleanser. Use your fingertips only your fingertips pat dry because that's the least amount of exfoliation. Then that becomes the issue of, do I double cleanse if you wear makeup? I would say yes, because the first cleanse is to get rid of your makeup. Second cleanse is to actually clean the skin. And then after that, it just is kind of trial and error. With a moisturizer in terms of how dry are you is your barrier compromise? I would say if you tended to be pretty dry, anything that has fragrance in it, anything that has antiaging as a moisturizer, you probably need to steer clear of for a while.
[00:24:59.180] - Cheryl
And then sunscreen is always I always preach sunscreen, obviously, because we need to prevent aging. And probably the best sunscreen for is sensitive skin type is going to be a physical sunscreen. And I think that's the other key that sensitive skin types of people will miss. So a physical sunscreen only has titanium dioxide and zinc oxide in it. And as physical sunscreen, that means that we put the sunscreen on, and it literally sits on top of our skin to block the sun rays. If we use a chemical sunscreen where it has, like, the oxybenzoate and all like those o-words in it, that means that sunscreen has to sink down into our skin, cause a chemical reaction in order to block the sun rays. And that chemical reaction that happens underneath the skin in order to block the rays is also going to further irritate your skin if your barrier is compromised. So if you're going to wear sunscreen, I often recommend a physical sunscreen. The problem with those is they tend to be a little bit thicker. So, if you use the nine and.
[00:25:51.500] - Jeanne
You tend to look like a ghost.
[00:25:53.270] - Cheryl
Everybody’s like, I don't want to use it. I look like a ghost. And so, I think the great thing is a lot of these skincare companies are making them tinted now. You just have to really watch your product labels. Like, I was in Sephora with my daughter yesterday because she talked to me into going, and she wants to look at one, and I look at the back of it because it's got a shimmer in it, and it's a chemical sunscreen, which for her teenage skin is probably fine. I would never be caught dead with it because I tend to be a sensitive skin type. So I don't do well with any chemical sunscreen. It actually burns really badly when I put it on my skin. So, I only ever wear physical sunscreens.
[00:26:27.700] - Jeanne
I also use physical sunscreens because the chemical sunscreens tend to sting a lot for me.
[00:26:33.860] - Cheryl
[00:26:34.370] - Jeanne
[00:26:34.740] - Cheryl
And that, again, so stinging is the number one indication that your barrier is compromised.
[00:26:38.790] - Jeanne
Listen to your skin.
[00:26:40.470] - Cheryl
Listen to your skin.
[00:26:42.030] - Jeanne
Yeah. Please do not use Dr. Google, see an aesthetician or a dermatologist.
[00:26:49.330] - Cheryl
[00:26:50.560] - Jeanne
So, I always believe, or I always feel like my relationship with my derm and with my aesthetician is a lot like a relationship with a therapist. You really have to have a good relationship with them to see that you're having the same goals, you have the same idea of where you want your skin to go. So if our listeners are looking for an aesthetician, what should they be looking for? What kind of questions should they be asking?
[00:27:15.160] - Cheryl
I think it comes down to the interview of that person. What kind of schooling did you go to? Do you consume advanced education on your own? I think the good ones are always going to be wanting to further their education so they can help their clients more. And so for an aesthetician I would say where did you get trained? Should be your number one question because the good ones are going to come from good training. And then also what's your experience? Have you worked with skincare companies? Do the skincare companies you've worked with offer you because a lot of them will offer you education and training. They're all very good about offering those. And so, for me, what I've noticed in my vast petitions I've visited is that they are always consuming education. They always want to learn to make better choices for their clients. Find one who's passionate about skincare and always continuing to learn.
[00:28:03.710] - Jeanne
How would we know what is a good education though? Is it just seeing if they have a qualification with an accredited institution or how would you take that?
[00:28:13.330] - Cheryl
Yeah, just say, can I see your credentials? Can you tell me your credentials?
[00:28:18.330] - Jeanne
Thank you so much for your time today. I just want to ask you if our FIGGI listeners want to know more about you, where do they go, where do they find you?
[00:28:26.610] - Cheryl
You can find me on Instagram at Cheryl Hazen RN. I also just created a TikTok account at Cheryl Hazen RN as well. I haven't put a whole lot up on there yet because I know that even though I really dislike TikTok because of the things I see on there and I think gosh as an educational standpoint, what these young people are consuming is really not what they should be consuming. But I also understand that if I get on their it's an opportunity for me to change the dynamic, to really put out the good education so that we can get people the right information. So, I am on TikTok. I haven't really created a whole lot on TikTok yet. I would say Instagram is my biggest place. I'm also on Facebook as well at Cheryl Hazen RN.
[00:29:07.430] - Jeanne
Thank you so much. If you are driving, don't worry about it. I'm going to put all of the links in the description for you so you can easily find Cheryl. Thank you so much for coming to me.
[00:29:15.990] - Cheryl
Thank you. I love talking all day skin, so it's great for me.
[00:29:20.400] - Jeanne
Have a great day, Goddess, and we'll see you again. Next time on The My FIGGI Life Podcast.
[00:29:27.170] - Outro
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